Comments on: Ben Franklin: The OG of FIRE? https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/ Money | Minimalism | Mohawks Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:09:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: J. Money https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285084 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:09:56 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285084 In reply to Menard Solve.

I of course had to google that, Menard – very smooth ;)

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By: J. Money https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285083 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:06:32 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285083 In reply to Jen.

Oh damn, never knew any of that… And still a debate people have today!

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By: J. Money https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285082 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:55:47 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285082 In reply to JP.

Such a baller.

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By: BC | FrugalWheels https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285032 Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:57:10 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285032 In reply to Menard Solve.

Yeah, for sure! I agree with all those assessments and it really struck me reading the biography I cited in the story how much his words and action resembled the modern day FIRE movement. I always liked Ben Franklin but this biography really brought it home for me.

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By: BC | FrugalWheels https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285031 Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:54:05 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285031 In reply to Mr. Tako.

But Franklin did this in the 18th century. Franklin was old news by the 19th century. And I would say Franklin FIRE’d in the Mr. Money Mustache sense in that he freed himself from mandatory work but still pursued work that was meaningful to him. That he did this in 1748, and by working from the bottom and through frugality as well as industry, I think puts him pretty squarely in OG of FIRE territory.

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By: Menard Solve https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285029 Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:18:14 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285029 If you google “Benjamin Franklin Fire Movement”, one really cool dude wrote about how Franklin pioneered the movement. His points are:

1. He treated his debt as an emergency (ala MMM).
2. He lived frugally in terms of time and money (ala Vicky Robin).
3. He understood risk vs reward.
4. He became F.I. and retired early to pursue other passions.
5. He leveraged the power of compounding.

Not only was he playing with fire (with the lightning rod and the Franklin stove), he was living the FIRE lifestyle!

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By: Jen https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285026 Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:48:06 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285026 In reply to Joe.

My understanding was that the marriage was always a bit troubled. However, when he and his wife lost a child stemming from a disagreement over getting the child vaccinated it seems like it basically broke the marriage. I believe the wife was against vaccination (which was very new at the time), and Franklin was for it. The child later contracted the disease and died.

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By: Mr. Tako https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285025 Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:13:39 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285025 Franklin certainly wasn’t the first to do it, just the most well known. In the 19th century it was fairly common for young men to go ‘abroad’ or into business to seek “a competence”. In other words, generating a big stash of money they could live in luxury on without needing to work.

Usually this was around $100k (remember this is back in the 1800’s!), but what I find most surprising was that most of them never stayed “retired” for very long. After a few years of relaxing they were usually back at it — buying a business, shipping goods across the ocean, and the like.

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By: BC | FrugalWheels https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285021 Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:42:56 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285021 In reply to JP.

Dude that’s awesome! Franklin seriously had some things figured out. He also did a little real estate investing – probably a super smart prospect in a land that was growing exponentially.

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By: BC | FrugalWheels https://eliteedgemoney.com/ben-franklin-the-og-of-fire/#comment-285020 Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:37:49 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=62059#comment-285020 In reply to Joe.

Totally agree. And look at all he accomplished because he FIRE’d! Apparently he renegotiated his terms after the 18 years was up too.

Totally true about his traveling, and in fact his wife had passed by the time he was assigned to travel to France. So for sure can’t blame him for enjoying the attention of the French ladies haha Having time to explore science led to a lot of his fame, and by the time he got to France he was a celebrity. He gained a lot of influence over French officials which greatly helped persuade them to aid the Revolutionary cause (first secretly then overtly). All because he FIRE’d!

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