Comments on: Is Gold The Answer to a Market Meltdown? https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/ Money | Minimalism | Mohawks Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:20:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: J. Money https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68727 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:28:23 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68727 True that my friend. I REALLY hope the world doesn’t end too ;)

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By: Kevin@RothIRA https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68715 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:04:27 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68715 Your friend’s thinking may have merit, but it sounds a bit over the top at 75%. The problem is that this isn’t much of an investment strategy. To invest is to put money at risk in the means of production, in vehicles that will provide a cash flow. Gold doesn’t do that.

Nothing wrong with putting a percentage into metals, but to go in so heavily is really a play on the end of the world. If the world doesn’t end the strategy could result in large losses. Better to balance it out with prosperity assets, the ones that will perform in better times.

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By: J. Money https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68537 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:13:19 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68537 Hahaha… a REAL firewall! I love it. I’d happily pay 50 cents for that tour. Maybe even $1.00 if you throw in some milk and cookies from mom :) Damn good jot socking away so much of it while it was that low! Man. Gonna feel like a chump when I buy my first coin or two here in the future… appreciate you sharing it all with us, I love this stuff!!

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By: Gene https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68477 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:37:38 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68477 @J$
Well 32.1lbs if you want to get technical. :) Half of it I’m storing for my mom though. (we went halfsies on an initial purchase of $10k) Of course it is mostly silver (by weight). So the $$ value isn’t quite as high as you might think. But it is still significant to my net worth.

We got in with some $$ my sister left us in 2003. So we got in when gold was about $422/oz and silver was under $5/oz (before even Buffet got into silver – though that was just dumb luck). This has been by far my best investment. Needless to say my mom is quite happy she let me talk her into it. I think I’m in the will. :)

I used to keep it in in one of those crappy FireSentry safes in my closet for many years. That is until I realized that the value had gone up to over $50k and someone could just walk off with the entire safe. That thought made me nauseous!

So I got a quality Cannon safe and had it professionally installed. I sleep good now. And you’re welcome to come over to see it anytime. Drop me a line if you’re going to be in the Phoenix area and I’ll give you the fifty-cent tour. I’ll show you everything but the combination. ;)

It’s pretty sweet. It’s got power and eithernet connections so I can put a Network Atached Storage server in it to REALLY securely back up my computers (you know, behind an ACTUAL firewall).

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By: J. Money https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68447 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:54:24 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68447 @StackingCash – Even if you physically have gold/silver/oil/whatever in your house? I would think stocks in general or more schemey if you’re going down that route. Electronic stuff can be wiped away much more than those items sitting in your house ;) Even if the value does fluctuate over time. Could always use as door stopper? haha…
@Shaun – Yeah, a good balance is def. smart for sure.
@Gene – WOW 32 pounds??? That is hotness yo. Haha… I love it! And I probably agree more with your stance here than the others. I, too, feel like gold/silver will *always* hold some sort of value, even if $hit hits the fan. Anything electronic these days can technically be wiped out at any point. If I ever cross paths with you in the “real world,” I’d like to schedule in a tour of that safe, please :) I promise I won’t tell anyone.
@Jon | Free Money Wisdom – I need to take some “survival” classes, I don’t think I’d do too well in the wild, haha… Though sometimes I can be street smart ;)

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By: Jon | Free Money Wisdom https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68343 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:07:30 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68343 I have 10% of my total assets in physical silver right now. It really is as simple as that. Gold is overpriced, stay far far away. All it’s going to take is a revolutionary President who will reign in our spending and the price of gold will tumble. To bet everything on a collapse of the economy is not wise! Spread out your risk and learn survivalist skills, THAT’S IT.

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By: Gene https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68297 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:24:46 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68297 Good idea not to share your friend’s name. Someone will go all “Italian Job” on him!

It’s best to determine what gold is to you. Gold isn’t magic. It isn’t a panacea that will protect you if everything goes to hell in a hand basket. If the world goes all “Mad Max” on us you’ll need much more than gold to protect you (like machine guns & ammo, etc.). If you believe in the gospel according to Glen Beck, you better stock up on your freeze-dried food and camping gear.

But the comments I am reading indicate that most of us are using gold for a more reasonable purpose; I.E. a temporary store of value. The reality is that barring a truly cataclysmic event we aren’t going to be living in a “Mad Max” world no matter what happens to the value of the dollar.

That being true doesn’t mean governments can’t royally crap up their currency. Contrary to what Ramsey might say, gold and silver have intrinsic value. Their value isn’t based solely on the fact that people think that they are worth something. They are semi-permanent, scarce, and have many uses in jewelry and manufacturing. This lends some measure of stability to their value. Yes the prices can fluctuate (excessively at times), but they are always worth something. So it is impossible for a government screw-up to completely de-value them. Putting a portion of your net worth into gold and silver may prove to be a good idea.

But unless your crystal ball is right all the time, I think that it is inadvisable to put all your eggs into one basket. (since if the crystal ball is off, that basket might be the afore-mentioned hand basket headed south) A more reasonable position to take is to hedge your investments by putting a portion of them into gold and silver so that if the markets or currency crash you still have something of value. And if you think about it if everything else were to crash, that gold and silver will likely increase in value many times. No, an ounce of gold wouldn’t be used to buy a loaf of bread. It would probably be worth more on the order of a good used car.

Personally, my overall bet is that the market is a better place to put my retirement. My 401K, and IRA’s are all invested into mutual funds that own stocks. But about 11% of my net worth resides in my safe (a nice big heavy one bolted to the slab foundation of my house) in the form of about 32lbs of gold and silver.

And it wouldn’t take a complete financial meltdown to make hedging your portfolio with precious metals worth it. Consider the double-digit inflation of the 70’s. With the money the government is spending on the on-going wars (among other things) it seems likely to me that inflation will rise at least to some extent. Using gold and silver to store some of your net worth would benefit you in this situation.

As for the statement that “gold has not been used in a failed economy since the fall of the Roman Empire”: that confuses me. That pre-supposes that gold is only used as a medium of exchange after an economy has already collapsed. And that is not the case. The fact is that precious metals have been used as the basic medium of exchange in every major economy since the Greeks started minting coins around 600BC. Far from being a dusty relic, the gold standard was a core part of most economies as recently as 1971 when Nixon took the US off the gold standard.

Personally, I would welcome a return to the gold standard as it would limit the ability of central banks to screw with us.

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By: Shaun https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68257 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 03:00:27 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68257 I have about 25% of my portfolio in gold, and I rebalance constantly. That essentially has been an easy way for several years to make money to buy even more stocks than I alternatively would have been able to buy.

A good portfolio should have assets that do well in almost every environment — deflation, inflation, prosperity, etc. Having stocks, bonds, cash, and gold in the portfolio just seems like common sense to me.

It’s worked so far. :)

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By: StackingCash https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68231 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:23:11 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68231 Yep! :) Commodities are as bad as penny stocks. It’s all about pump and dump. It’s all hype.

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By: J. Money https://eliteedgemoney.com/is-gold-the-answer-to-a-market-meltdown/#comment-68211 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:33:43 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=16941#comment-68211 @Jenna, Adaptu Community Manager – Nope, not yet – but will go and check out after leaving this comment :)
@Andy – Haha, that’s an excellent question my friend. I would say yes ;) Because she has the option to sell at any point, even if right now she doesn’t want to.
@Brian – Me too!! Haha… which is really funny if you think about it, because he’s choosing gold/oil TO BE SAFE! Haha… interesting how different that word means to us :)
@Money – Is there gold bullets in those shells? :)
@Kandace – For sure. VERY scary!
@StackingCash – Haha… you think solid gold is a scheme?
@Erin – If I were smart enough to *know* what all that stuff would be, I totally would ;) I’m learning from everyone here just the same! We’ve got some smarties!
@Jacq – That’s a great way to do things. I believe Warren Buffett does the same – only invests in things he can understand :)

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