Comments on: Real Estate vs Stocks: A Real-Life Look at Returns https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/ Money | Minimalism | Mohawks Thu, 22 Sep 2022 12:54:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Sundar Rajan https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-336424 Sun, 12 Sep 2021 18:21:17 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-336424 I also bought out of state in suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia in 2012. 1. 2000 SQ Ft brick home for $37K, rehab $10K, rented from $750 an month to $1200 when it was sold this year for $222K, 2. Bought in Stone Mountain for $31k, rehab $13K, sold recently for $180K. rented from ~$700 in 2012 to $1550 this year. 3. A small home close to downtown for $21k, selling for $180K, kept rent low at $725. Plan to use the cash for some conservative option plays (selling puts), let us see

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By: Joel https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304960 Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:32:24 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304960 In reply to SP.

Nah, I only have a small amount of capital gains on this place so far, and I’m in a fairly low tax bracket. If I ever sold I would just pay the cap gains tax I think. I’m not looking to trade up just yet for this property.

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By: Joel https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304959 Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:30:31 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304959 In reply to SP.

What an awesome snowball you’re creating! That’s such a cool story. I’m not sure what to do with the equity just yet. The older I get, the less risky I am, so having low leverage sounds good. But I also that’s not mathematically the fastest way to grow wealth. I’m a little exhausted with the properties I own, so before I go out and buy more I really want to think about what the easiest management route is. Thanks for reading – more to come!

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By: SP https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304953 Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:15:06 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304953 Did you consider a 1031 exchange?

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By: SP https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304952 Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:55:23 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304952 Woah! You bought an interstate???
Kidding aside, are you going to sit on the equity on one investment property and once it is paid off, get a big monthly check, or tap into it and buy more properties and grow?
Here’s my story. I grew up in a foreign country also. Moved here for graduate school. After I was employed, I too was late to the 401k party, but just by 1 year. Since then I have been investing only enough to get match.
In 2015 I bought my first rental condo in an auction, sight unseen, with owner still living there, for $38k renovated it with another $10k. It has been rented since for ~ 950-1050. I had bought a small SF primary residence in 2013 for $161k. In 2018, I tapped into equity of both these properties for down payment on a bigger primary home which I bought at $360k. The old home is rented for 1550. In January 2020 values of these 3 properties were 400k, 250k and 115k. I refinanced the condo, and got HELOCs on other 2 properties, and bought a townhome in auction, sight unseen for $126k, renovated for $10k, and is rented for 1300. I will get $100k equity out this week to keep building on my portfolio. Or maybe I will sit on this cash to ride out the COVID uncertainty.

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By: Luigi https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304891 Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:10:31 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304891 In reply to Joel.

Thanks for replying Joel! that makes a lot of sense…

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By: Joel https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304582 Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:24:24 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304582 In reply to Big T.

Hey T! That’s funny – I also nickname my rentals “ATMs”. I learned it from an investor conference a while back and the name just stuck. It’s the perfect description of a cash-flowing rental.

Definitely track your ROI year on year, and keep looking at your overall return on Equity. As your debt gets lower, your return gets lower. I’ll share more of the backstory of this rental in a later post.

Congrats on your offer! Let me know if it works out!

Joel

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By: Joel https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304578 Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:10:22 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304578 In reply to J.

Yep, anonymity is a great benefit of an LLC.

As for more profitability in early years of ownership… This is mainly due to purchasing at a discount, increasing rents which brings a higher market value, or forcing appreciation with repairs/upgrades. These activities boost the ROI right pretty quickly. But, once a property has reached it’s max potential, the return will slow down. There’s only so much manual “boost” an investor can give a property before it has to rely on it’s fundamentals to for growth.

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By: Big T https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304536 Tue, 14 Jul 2020 03:24:36 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304536 Thanks for the post Joel,

As someone already mentioned, very timely. I’m similarly diversified 50/50. And similar to your real estate agent, I have a “feeling” here. And I feel safer with real estate.

I stare at our retirement account balances and wonder about how little control us little people have there. We pick the funds and the manager – that’s it. As long-term investors, we’re told not to react emotionally to the market. Well it’s crazy out there – and seems to be built upon so few tech companies. And now that I want to access that capital for real estate – I wouldn’t dare incur those penalties.

In real estate I’ve got a great little cash-flowing duplex (nicknamed ATM). Made an offer on our second investment duplex today. You can play with the numbers all day, but in the end you end up with an appreciating property – or one that is cash flow positive in a serious downturn. I can drive by, schedule and inspection, pick my tenants, choose my rehab etc. I enjoy the control. But, this business is built on a debt – an internal battle I’m always aware of, and makes me hesitate to scale too quickly.

In the end, who knows. I guess I better start a baseline over here so I can check in 10 years to see how it all played out. I do know I didn’t enjoy watching my stocks drop 25% in a week in March, while my ATM pumped out a healthy $539 after-tax cash flow to my checking account.

Look forward to future posts!

-T

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By: J https://eliteedgemoney.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-a-real-life-look-at-returns/#comment-304522 Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:27:47 +0000 https://staging.eliteedgemoney.com/?p=63050#comment-304522 In reply to Joel.

Umbrella insurance might not be a bad thought for the first few years (until I would no longer be qualified for the homestead exemption), but it will depend on whether or not the policy would cover rental tenants. I know we were looking into it a little for when my husband was starting to think about taking more side jobs relating to rigging and other odds and ends for performance arts clients, but I don’t think we ever found one that would cover it. So I think they might be picky in this state. But I’m going to file that tip away as a good possibility. The other benefit with having the property in an LLC is if I wanted to use a management company and be more anonymous no one would be able to tell who owned the property and where they actually lived using our city/county website. You also mentioned in a comment below that many rentals are only really profitable for 1-3 years and fade off after that. I would love it if you included why that was in your next article on the topic. Thanks.

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